[NCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 installed again.

[M Butcher]

Well, all I can say is that I have no idea why it would be that slow. I would 
guess that a bunch of extra stuff got started.

Mandrake was originally RH Linux with KDE as the default desktop. SInce then 
(6.0) it has branched out significantly. It's pretty much a different distro. 
Like Mr. Dwyer noted, the main _similarity_ now is that they both use RPM.

Some of the more obvious differences:
- different kernels, compiled with  different options.
- KDE is still the default on Mandrake.
- Mandrake remains aimed at claiming the desktop space. Red Hat still seems 
to be focused mainly on servers and devices.
- Mandrake Soft added a number of packages that they developed, from 
management GUIs to the Aurora framebuffer stuff.
- Mandrake supposedly has a much easier install then RH... however, that only 
seems to be the case if you use the default install... scrolling down a long 
list of packages to pick the ones you really want seems to be about  the same 
in either one ;-)

On Monday 05 November 2001 13:08, you wrote:
> To tell you the truth I'm not sure. When I did it I was not the linux guru
> I am today (for those of you who don't me, read "joking"). I was most
> likely starting a lot of servers and I started X only once and that didn't
> take up any significant amount of memory (no more than it does on any
> other distro). My overall impression was that it turned my machine into a
> very slow macintosh and I didn't like it.
>
> Mandrake is built on RH, correct? What is the advantage of running
> Mandrake? Please believe me that this is not a rehtorical question, I'm
> really not informed about it...
>
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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, M Butcher wrote:
> > Hmmm... that's interesting. I have three systems running 8.1, and I
> > haven't experienced that sort of thing with any of them. One of them only
> > has 64M of RAM in it (and it's a K6-2), and though I could probably get
> > it to start swapping if I tried, daily use (Mozilla, XMMS, Enlightenment)
> > hasn't done it.
> >
> > Maybe some more specifics would help. How many services are you starting
> > at boot? Are you running a lot of servers? What desktop apps are you
> > running? What are you usually doing when it starts swapping?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On Saturday 03 November 2001 09:10, you wrote:
> > > My experiance with mandrake was that, even though it was a smooth
> > > install, it was a horrible system to run. It was extreemly slow because
> > > I loaded so many things and it used up about 150MB of RAM on boot and
> > > went into swap within a few hours.
> > >
> > > Now I read about people lauding the praises of Mandrake and I'm
> > > wondering if I did something wrong on the install... Can anybody think
> > > what that might have been?
> > >
> > > On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:03:23 -0700, BOF <bof at pcisys.net> wrote:
> > > > Les wrote:
> > > > > My only complaint so far is that I can't find xman on the system
> > > > > yet.
> > > >
> > > > I don't see xman on the RPMS page for Mandrake, so I wonder if it
> > > > comes with it.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried the commands
> > > >
> > > >     whereis xman
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > >     find / -name "xman*"
> > > >
> > > > to see if it is installed?
> > > >
> > > > > Also I'm trying to figure out how to re-order the boot loader so it
> > > > > defaults to windows.
> > > >
> > > > The man page "lilo.conf" covers this well. You'll need to add some
> > > > lines to /etc/lilo.conf:
> > > >
> > > >      prompt
> > > >      timeout=50
> > > >      default=win98
> > > >
> > > > and the stanza
> > > >
> > > >      other = /dev/hda1
> > > >      table = /dev/hda
> > > >      label = win98
> > > >
> > > > This is assuming that Windows is installed on /dev/hda, the first
> > > > hard drive and that it is in the first partition, /dev/hda1. If you
> > > > don't want to call it  "win98", you can name it whatever. Just don't
> > > > put any spaces in it, and keep it short.
> > > >
> > > > The prompt and timeout will allow you to chose whichever you want at
> > > > boot time, with the system waiting 5 seconds and then booting into
> > > > win98.
> > > >
> > > > Thus the full lilo.conf file will look something like this (this is
> > > > from my RH setup, with lines for win98 added):
> > > >
> > > >      boot=/dev/hda
> > > >      map=/boot/map
> > > >      install=/boot/boot.b
> > > >      prompt
> > > >      timeout=50
> > > >      message=/boot/message
> > > >      default=redhat
> > > >
> > > >      image=/boot/vmlinuz
> > > >       label=redhat
> > > >       read-only
> > > >       root=/dev/hda6
> > > >
> > > >      other=/dev/hda1
> > > >       table=/dev/hdb
> > > >       label=win98
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't forget to run /sbin/lilo -v after editing the /etc/lilo.conf
> > > > file to set the changes before rebooting.
> > > >
> > > > BOF
> > > >
> > > >
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