<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">While these things are annoying, I'd be
happy(er) if the latest "upgrade" or two didn't break basic
functionality:</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">1. Clicking on a link in a Thunderbird
email usually doesn't open the link.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2. Clicking on a window doesn't bring
it to the foreground anymore. I have to click on the desired
program in the left vertical panel instead.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">3. Doing "save as" frequently, perhaps
always, doesn't work properly anymore. I have to use "print to
file" as a workaround.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">But I don't get Brian's weird df
output, it's the same as it's always been, for me.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'd migrate elsewhere, but I do
business on this machine, and that scares me.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Here's my version:</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">LSB Version:
core-11.1.0ubuntu4-noarch:security-11.1.0ubuntu4-noarch
<br>
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
<br>
Description: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
<br>
Release: 22.04
<br>
Codename: jammy
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Robert</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAK1spDq++X93qkEMBGYCfkHY=mygsJpF6tPswnN56Xt6iGXcvg@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hmmm... why would I have a whole new bizarre name to handle
logical volumes?<br>
</div>
<div>Besides, logical volumes have been around for a very long
time.</div>
<div>What sort of person thinks: /dev/mapper/dobby--vg-root<br>
</div>
<div>Is even marginally a good device name?<br>
</div>
<div>What happens if I rename "dobby" to "winky"?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As to "snaps ... don't pollute the system". It looks like
they've polluted my system to me.<br>
</div>
<div>Seriously, Ubuntu keeps putting more and more things in
snaps.<br>
</div>
<div>My list is only that small because I have been consciously
removing snaps when I can.<br>
</div>
<div>If every major package was in a snap there would be
hundreds of "df" entries.<br>
</div>
<div>Why would anyone think this is a good idea?<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>And who would design a modern packaging system that makes
you stop running the app before it can be upgraded? Imagine
what it would be like once there are hundreds of snaps
installed!<br>
</div>
<div>All of them tell you to exit the app for upgrade. At least
Windows and MacOS only make me reboot.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Look carefully at the "disk free" output... not one of them
is an actual disk device.<br>
</div>
<div>This is worse than systemd (which is responsible for
/run/user/1000).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Brian</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM
Grant Johnson <<a href="mailto:grant@amadensor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">grant@amadensor.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>The dev mapper stuff is logical volumes, so you can add
and rearrange storage easier. All of the snap things are
snap applications you have installed, they have their own
little fake file systems so that they don't pollute the
system.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On June 8, 2022 1:01:21 PM MDT,
Brian Sturgill <<a href="mailto:bsturgill@ataman.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bsturgill@ataman.com</a>>
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">For years I thought I was running
Linux... but I just ran "df" and clearly someone has
replaced Linux with another operating system!<br>
<br>
brian@dobby:~$ df<br>
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used
Available Use% Mounted on<br>
udev 1927400 0
1927400 0% /dev<br>
tmpfs 394484 1368
393116 1% /run<br>
/dev/mapper/dobby--vg-root 110774660 13632712
91471856 13% /<br>
tmpfs 1972412 0
1972412 0% /dev/shm<br>
tmpfs 5120 0
5120 0% /run/lock<br>
tmpfs 1972412 0
1972412 0% /sys/fs/cgroup<br>
/dev/loop0 56960 56960
0 100% /snap/core18/2344<br>
/dev/loop3 63488 63488
0 100% /snap/core20/1518<br>
/dev/loop2 56960 56960
0 100% /snap/core18/2409<br>
/dev/loop1 63488 63488
0 100% /snap/core20/1494<br>
/dev/loop5 69632 69632
0 100% /snap/lxd/22526<br>
/dev/loop4 69504 69504
0 100% /snap/lxd/22753<br>
/dev/loop6 48128 48128
0 100% /snap/snapd/16010<br>
/dev/loop7 45824 45824
0 100% /snap/snapd/15904<br>
tmpfs 394480 0
394480 0% /run/user/1000<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Seriously, what kind of device is
/dev/mapper/dobby--vg-root?<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Just last week, it was constantly badgering me to
exit Firefox to upgrade its snap.<br>
</div>
<div>It said I had to do so within 12 days if I wanted
to "avoid disruption".<br>
</div>
<div>Sounded like some kind of organized crime racket.<br>
</div>
<div>I exited, waited, it complained again, (repeat 5
times)... finally told snap to upgrade it</div>
<div>manually, but cannot remember what worked... I
know it took like half an hour to figure it out.<br>
</div>
<div>Snap upgrade is too easy of course.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Really, I get less crap than this from Windows or
MacOS.<br>
<br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Brian</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><div>--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</div></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br clear="all">
<br>
-- <br>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Brian</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p><br>
</p>
</body>
</html>