[NCLUG] 'we have met the enemy, and he is us'

[Jeremy Whitlock]

	I have to agree with Paul.  I hate that VS.NET overwrites things
because when you uninstall it, it causes a lot of problems.  I also
agree that OpenOffice.org has been trouble free, atleast for me.
Laters, Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: nclug-admin at nclug.org [mailto:nclug-admin at nclug.org] On Behalf Of
J. Paul Reed
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:32 PM
To: nclug at nclug.org
Subject: Re: [NCLUG] 'we have met the enemy, and he is us'

On 16 Oct 2003 at 09:42:59, Dennis Clark moved bits on my disk to say:

>   Yes, I've installed Visual Studio, a couple of times.  Just because
> they are both "ick" doesn't make either one nice.  

My point is this: you're claiming installing compilers is hard; it's
not,
but assuming it is, it's not "easy" on any other platform either.

VS.NET comes on something like 7 CDs and takes up four *gigs* of space
(that's a base install, folks). It also replaces a bunch of system DLLs
"for you" so you get some debugging hooks and other nice features.

I don't know about you, but I'm glad GCC doesn't *replace* glibc with
a more complicated debug version that breaks things.

> At least the Windoze version didn't require me to figure out tool
chain 
> dependencies, hack makefiles, and build the system from the ground
up...  

Neither does GCC, if you install it with rpm, apt-get, emerge or any one

of a number of other package management systems..

> Of course, as
> someone else mentioned, the gnu stuff is "free", and it isn't any
> easier to install on any other system either. :(  I suppose the
compiler
> example isn't a very good one.  I've not tried to install Star Office,
> I run M$ Office on my Mac so I didn't need it.

I've heard people complain about StarOffice/OpenOffice installation
issues; 
I've never had a problem.

Later,
Paul
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