Why I am starting to hate Linux.

[Phil Marsh]

Hi Coran,
Now you jogged  my memory. I'm thinking I should look into Tumbleweed? Do
you see any real disadvantages to Tumbleweed as compared to Ubuntu? I
suspect not.
Thanks,
Phil

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 5:50 PM Coran Fisher <salyavin at gokuraku.fcac.com>
wrote:

> As far as rolling releases are you familiar with Arch, Gentoo, Tumblewood
> (Suse)?  Speaking of systemd at least Gentoo supports bypassing that if you
> wish (I do actually on my Gentoo box).  Tumbleweed makes snapshots you can
> roll back right in the boot menu by default last I was running it.
>
> yes docker is a useful as well, no reason not to do that.
> On 2022/04/28 15:10, Phil Marsh wrote:
>
> Hi Bob, All,
> My two cents. The thing I dislike is that I need to completely upgrade the
> OS to  get the latest software (e.g. compilers etc...) and often libraries
> sometimes require newer software than the versions have.
> For this, I rely on PPAs but I don't think this is ideal. Yea, I get that
> the Linux folks are reluctant to have brand-new software in the interests
> of stability. I wonder if there's a way to have rolling updates instead of
> reinstalling a fresh OS which winds up taking me about 2 weeks to set up?
> On second thought, it's going to be somewhat better for my next upgrade
> because some of my stuff is in Docker boxes and chroot jails. OS upgrades
> are painful for me because I'm an amateur and also because I end up needing
> to re-configure things like Apache and Owncloud servers. I don't think that
> just doing the standard Ubuntu upgrade will work right here either and I've
> always installed fresh to upgrade.
> By the way, I always keep a bootable (secondary) OS SSD for the sole
> purpose of being able to boot up should my main OS (primary) drive get
> messed up - to the point of not booting. I also send my OS files at 3AM, to
> a directory on a snapshotted ZFS pool. Should I blow up my current OS or do
> something stupid to a server, I can always reload my OS drive from that
> snapshot or directly from the backup directory using the the primary or
> secondary OS drive. Then, of course, I update Grub etc.. to make the
> reloaded OS drive bootable. The best way to handle all this might be to
> just have your root directory on ZFS, but I'm not comfortable with that
> yet, and I think, in that case, one would still need a recovery drive with
> ZFS installed.
> Also, I'm looking at installing BBB (Big Blue Button) on Docker. Any
> recommendations or advice? Is this a good idea? I like the idea of Docker
> for this because it would seem to minimize interference with my web server
> and make it easier to upgrade my OS etc... I already run Jitsi on Docker.
> Thanks and best,
> Phil
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 2:17 PM Bob Proulx <bob at proulx.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Wolf wrote:
>> > As another alternative to a debian-based system like ubuntu, I'm running
>> > RedHat on my home server.  I used to run CentOS, which was downstream
>> > RedHat, but then RedHat bought CentOS and turned it into its
>> experimental
>> > branch.  But they do offer a free RedHat subscription for up to 31
>> boxes (I
>> > think -- I'm only running one).
>>
>> For people who haven't been following the activity "CentOS Stream" now
>> sits as a testing ground somewhere between RHEL and Fedora on the
>> close to RHEL side.  Red Hat plans to use the CentOS community to test
>> for bugs in what then will go into their RHEL release.  CentOS Stream
>> will be a rolling release model for new development.  I know several
>> people who have not been happy with Red Hat's decision to pull the
>> CentOS rug out from under them.
>>
>> > I tried and failed to like Suse.  So it's RedHat for me. YMMV.
>>
>> Out of the ruins of CentOS arises two names that are new but each
>> continuing the old tradition of old CentOS.  Both of these appeared on
>> the scene within a month of each other early in 2021.  It's been a
>> year now.
>>
>> Rocky Linux was created by Gregory Kurtzer, the founder of the
>> original CentOS project before Red Hat bought it.  Rocky is a tribute
>> name to CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh.  Rocky Linux aims to be what
>> CentOS was again.  Rather a case of history repeating itself.  Here is
>> a news article.
>>
>>     https://www.theregister.com/2020/12/10/rocky_linux
>>
>> AlmaLinux was created by CloudLinux and KernelCare.  Alma means Soul
>> in Latin languages.  "Soul" Linux.  The cloud vendors needed a free
>> software OS.  The cloud vendors were already building their own clone.
>> So when CentOS was killed off they decided to make their efforts
>> public with Alma.  It continues their need to provide cloud virtual
>> hosting images.  Here is a news article.
>>
>>
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-launches-almalinux-centos-linux-clone/
>>
>> I am hoping these two efforts can converge.  They seem to be on
>> friendly relations with each other.  Therefore they should be sharing
>> the workload for security upgrades and other support.  Regardless
>> these two groups are ensuing that the community around CentOS have a
>> place they can go.
>>
>> At least initially it feels to me that Alma is ahead of Rocky in terms
>> of development and polish.  But the Rocky developers are experienced.
>> I expect over time the two systems will leapfrog each other.
>>
>> The CentOS community will continue.  It will just be called Alma
>> and/or Rocky moving forward.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
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